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Tam says "It gets to be an education chasing these trees down and photographing them as it has taken me to some fantastic spots both from a natural history as well as a historical point of view. Today I found out about a place called Dumfries House (which by the way is in Ayrshire not Dumfries and Galloway). It was designed and built by the Adam brothers (Robert and John) for the Fifth Earl of Dumfries in 1758. The estate was 1000s of acres in size and stretched for miles around the Ayrshire countryside near the village of Cumnock. All that aside I found two separate avenues of sequoias at different ends of the estate, at first I did not know these were connected in any way to Dumfries House. At one end of the estate is a farm called Hill farm (grid ref NS540200). Leading up to the farm from the main A70 trunk road there are about 25 Giant Sequoias.

P.S. From a distance on one of the main routes near here I could see another lot of Giant's but I could not locate them, I now believe they are in the middle of this estate which is to be open to the public from next year (I can't wait).
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Tam also told us of some interesting links " Check these links out 1 2 seemingly this house and estate has been in the news recently!!."

I have found the same thing, Tam, it is not only the search and discovery of these magnificent trees, part of the fun is the fantastic locations and the historical education accumulated along the way!


"These photos are from the Gatehouse which originally led into the estate known as "Dumfries House". There is an avenue of 13 trees of substantial size the first tree is shown in the trunk photo. The Old chap who owns the gatehouse now also has the trees in his garden he was very friendly and it was he who let me know what the connection to the estate was. I told him these trees must be about 120-130 yrs old but he thought nearer 500 years (he was too helpful to disappoint, I didn't have the heart to contradict him)."

On my travels I have often encountered people claiming a tree to be many hundreds of years old, and yes it often feels kinder not to contradict them, after all a Redwood at 100-years-old can certainly compare in size to many "ordinary" trees of far greater age.
** UPDATE - June 2009 **
In June 2009 Tam visited the estate which is now open to the public. He says, "What a place this is, 1,000 acres of land surrounding the mansion which was one of the Adam Brothers first projects in the 18th century. I didn't have time or the energy to measure all the trees I found only the first 20 odd. Some of the trees I found impossible to measure as they had so many limbs coming out at odd angles.

This location will need a good number of other visits to gather all the data, I had a quick count and there are at least another 25 trees to be measured. A good number of the trees i.e. Nos 4-15 were deep in forest cover making height measurement difficult.
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Giant Redwood No. 22
"This tree was huge and had at least 4 limbs growing vertically, it took 66 paces to walk around it. It is situated on the lawn in front of the house and it is a spectacular tree. Everything you see beside it is all one tree, even the bit on the left that looks like a 20yr old tree.."

"Sequoias that are in the forest off to the right from the bridge over the River Ayr i.e. Nos 4-15"

Giant Redwood No. 2 & No. 1

Giant Redwood No. 3 & No. 1
"Here are the first two that I measured today on the left is No2 on the right is No1. These are the first two as you cross the bridge over the river."

In the second photograph above "Number 3 is on left, a huge Noble fir and number 1 on the right."

Giant Redwood No. 20

Giant Redwood No. 23
"No20 was the largest in terms of girth at 9.50m it has three prominent trunks although only two are visible here."

The Stables

The Avenue
"The avenue was at least a dozen trees, Idid not have time to measure or record, in the woods at the side of this including the avenue there are about 25 more trees to be recorded. I will be back here on a sunny day to do so. I've not even had time to mention the house or go into it. There is a cafe as well as a tour which I think you need to book. The stables trees are part of the 25 odd that I did not get time to measure. "

Many thanks Tam. You have gathered a grand set of photographs and information on this marvellous location. Redwood No. 23 looks particularly intriguing and it is fairly obvious why it's girth could not be measured! Although at least three of these trees here are worthy of a place on the Tall Tales page in terms of girth, I'm afraid I have to abide by my own rules and "only include trees that we have actually seen and measured ourselves". However, this location is amongst the top of my list to confirm all your measurements on my next visit to Scotland.

Here is Tam's own table of names and measurements of many of the Redwoods at Dumfries House:

Common Names and Latin Name No. Latitude and Longitude OS National Grid Elevation
(above sea-level)
Height Girth Date Measured
WGS84 OSGB36
Giant Redwood
Sequoiadendron giganteum
1 N55.27255
W4.18481
N55.27254
W4.18355
NS 61295 99776 91ft
(27.74m)
33m 8.25m Jun 2009
2 N55.27257
W4.18471
N55.27256
W4.18345
NS 61301 99778 93ft
(28.35m)
33m 8.1m Jun 2009
3 N55.27251
W4.18485
N55.27250
W4.18359
NS 61292 99772 91ft
(27.74m)
33m 5.1m Jun 2009
4 N55.27252
W4.18549
N55.27251
W4.18423
NS 61252 99774 73ft
(22.26m)
-- 1.75m Jun 2009
5 N55.27251
W4.18556
N55.27250
W4.1843
NS 61247 99773 82ft
(25.00m)
-- 2.08m Jun 2009
6 N55.27251
W4.18565
N55.27250
W4.18439
NS 61242 99773 85ft
(25.91m)
-- 3.36m Jun 2009
7 N55.27254
W4.18573
N55.27253
W4.18447
NS 61236 99777 89ft
(27.13m)
-- 2.6m Jun 2009
8 N55.27251
W4.18553
N55.27250
W4.18427
NS 61249 99773 101ft
(30.79m)
-- 4.75m Jun 2009
9 N55.27254
W4.18548
N55.27253
W4.18422
NS 61252 99776 101ft
(30.79m)
-- 3.2m Jun 2009
10 N55.27253
W4.18545
N55.27252
W4.18419
NS 61254 99775 100ft
(30.49m)
-- 3.65m Jun 2009
11 N55.27260
W4.18551
N55.27259
W4.18425
NS 61251 99783 100ft
(30.49m)
-- 4.6m Jun 2009
12 N55.27264
W4.18560
N55.27263
W4.18434
NS 61245 99787 98ft
(29.88m)
-- 5.1m Jun 2009
13 N55.27272
W4.18569
N55.27271
W4.18443
NS 61240 99796 107ft
(32.62m)
-- 5.6m Jun 2009
14 N55.27274
W4.18578
N55.27273
W4.18452
NS 61234 99799 95ft
(28.96m)
-- 4.6m Jun 2009
15 N55.27275
W4.18597
N55.27274
W4.18471
NS 61222 99800 88ft
(26.83m)
-- 3.5m Jun 2009
16 N55.27269
W4.18466
N55.27268
W4.1834
NS 61305 99791 92ft
(28.05m)
-- 7.2m Jun 2009
17 N55.27270
W4.18424
N55.27269
W4.18298
NS 61332 99791 97ft
(29.57m)
-- 8.1m Jun 2009
18 N55.27267
W4.18405
N55.27266
W4.18279
NS 61344 99788 95ft
(28.96m)
-- 5.75m Jun 2009
19 N55.27264
W4.18419
N55.27263
W4.18293
NS 61335 99785 88ft
(26.83m)
-- 7.75m Jun 2009
20 N55.27207
W4.18366
N55.27206
W4.1824
NS 61366 99720 109ft
(33.23m)
-- 9.5m Jun 2009
21 N55.27210
W4.18372
N55.27209
W4.18246
NS 61363 99724 106ft
(32.32m)
-- 9m Jun 2009
22 N55.27188
W4.18346
N55.27187
W4.1822
NS 61378 99699 102ft
(31.10m)
-- -- --
23 N55.27211
W4.18347
N55.27210
W4.18221
NS 61379 99724 92ft
(28.05m)
-- -- --
Girth was measured at 1.5m from ground.

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